5: Said I Loved You But I Lied - Michael Bolton
Ep. 05

5: Said I Loved You But I Lied - Michael Bolton

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A Scotsman, an Irishman and a Bulgarian discover something more powerful than love.

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I was watching it going, I'm trying to find some sort of metaphor from this horse.

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Hello and welcome to We Can't Rewind, We've Gone Too Far,

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a podcast where a Scotsman, an Irishman and a Bulgarian

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review the most terrible, silliest and weird just as fuck music videos.

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Hi, I'm Dave.

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Hi, I'm Neely.

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Hi, I'm Neil.

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On our radio today, we have another 1993 classic,

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the quintessential Michael Bolton power ballad

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said they loved you but they lied.

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Fucking lying prick.

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Anyway, let's talk about the 1989 Chris Isaac classic Wicked Game instead.

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I've never seen this song of which you speak.

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Like, really? Honestly?

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Seriously?

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Million views.

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Neil, have you seen? Do you know what I'm referring to?

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The Wicked Game?

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Say again?

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No.

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Why is it got Michael Bolton in it?

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No. Oh my God.

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I'll check. I may have actually seen it.

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I would be so surprised if none of you know of it by like osmosis of living on the earth.

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Oh yeah, okay yeah I have yeah.

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I wanna fall in love, that one.

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Yeah okay I totally have seen that.

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Yay!

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I guess we couldn't think of it.

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yeah so basically when i first watched the song we're actually talking about today which is uh

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michael bolton said i love you but i lied i've never seen this video before and i'm not fine with

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Michael Walton, but beyond that, like the moment I watched the videos, like this is wicked game.

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This is wicked game.

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This is exactly the same video, just probably more expensive yet worse in quality.

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I don't like either of the songs or the videos, but at least one of them had some artistry into it.

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It was made by an actual person who has a wiki page.

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The ultimate saying of true artistry.

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So the director of Say The Loved You is a lady.

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And yeah, our first female director.

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She's called Rebecca Blake.

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And all I could find about her is that she directed, I think, six videos all together.

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Have you been on her website recently?

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Her website?

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Yeah, it looks like everything has like a, you know, that really soft beauty filter.

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Everyone on the website is covered in that.

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It's like a 90s GeoCity website.

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It has the vibes of it.

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Oh, God, this is horrible.

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Yeah.

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This is like, has given me vibes of the very first website I did myself.

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The splash picture makes it for me.

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It just looks ridiculous.

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Okay, so scratch that.

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Apparently she did a couple of videos.

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Well, a bit more than six.

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She has like two Michael Bolton videos, three Prince videos.

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And that's people that you have heard of.

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The video for Wicked Game.

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It's trying to be sexy.

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It's a bit rapey, but it's trying to be sexy.

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Wicked Game is from 1989.

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and Say They Loved You is from

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93 and I don't believe

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that she never saw it

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because at the time it was like

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there was a bit of an uproar because if you

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watch it in full it's like naked

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lady gerating on the

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beach and frolicking around

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which is kind of exactly the same what's happening

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in Say They Loved You video

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it's kind of like a PG version

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of the same video

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and with more horses

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a couple of eagles as well

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it's two horses why is there horses that's what i want to know yeah so the horse is in the fire so

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there must be something that is he is he got a fire in his heart um he does he's the black horse

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he's running away from everything and she's the white horse that's why she's in black and white but

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they're together in black and white what does that mean the fire it just feels like he's burning in

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hell i don't really get that it's only at the start of the video um which doesn't really make any sense

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Oh, wait, it's at the end of the video too.

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Oh, maybe it's like an open and closed book story.

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He starts in hell and ends in hell.

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Who knows?

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So I just hit my head into the microphone.

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I nearly popped my eye out.

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Man down.

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I was laughing at your remark

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and I just went straight for the pop shield.

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That's what people tune in for, really.

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I've got a theory because there seems to be so many videos this where it's just the singer in

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some sort of remote location you know preferably high up a hill of some description just sort of

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shouting into the void and I've got a theory that this is just what singers do when they experience

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a bit of heartbreak is they just go they just pack up the tour bus and they just go to the desert

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to shout at the world.

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Sorry, this is not a breakup song though.

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In my head it's like a documentary

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and he's literally just making this up

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as he's going along.

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I mean...

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So he's literally just shouting out

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the first thing that comes to his head

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and judging by the fact he changed his clothes

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halfway through it,

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this has taken place over multiple days.

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I hope he showered and changed clothes

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in between shots.

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He did walk through a river at one point

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so there's a guarantee of that.

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He didn't shower,

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he just sort of aloofly floated in the water

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watching the eagles and the horses go by.

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Honestly, that here is not being taken care of

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it every day you need to be proper with it they've got they've got a makeup department for their

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existential crises what's with the general cowboy feeling because he's wearing like double denim and

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weird biker leather looks more like a magician in the care no he's going for a cowboy though he has

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like the cowboy boots and all and yeah if he had a if he had a hat in his hand and he was flailing

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around he'd go yee-haw he wouldn't look at a place that's what i'm saying he just does any is any of

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you like familiar with other Michael Bolton videos like was that the thing he did like did he just

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like to pretend to be a cowboy the double denim thing that's to me that's like a cowboy look right

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and he has his shirt open for quite a lot of it especially when he's waiting for the water but when

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he's in the black get up right that's that looks like leather right that is warm sticky clothing and

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he's in the hot of this desert I thought it was in um I thought it was shot at the Grand Canyon

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that is Grand Canyon isn't it according to um the highest trusted source on the internet Wikipedia

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it says Phoenix, Arizona.

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So I'm not exactly sure what's in Phoenix

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but I think Phoenix is quite a hot

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part of America. So yeah,

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his choice of a target but curious. I did enjoy

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the cave. It's got a nice kind of light

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show going on the walls. Yeah,

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someone's shooting something through a mirror

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or a glass of water.

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I think that's

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just like his chill out zone. So he

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goes up to the top of the hill, has his

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existential crisis and then he goes and

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relaxes in his rave cave.

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just for a while

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I've seen those caves before though

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like they've been in a fair amount of videos

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is there a reason why they're so popular?

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at like a place where something happens?

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probably just

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imagine it's a case of

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we need a mountain for him to

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stand and shout on

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and judging by the landscape there was probably just caves nearby

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oh I've got fresh facts

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definitely was in the Grand Canyon

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because that is in Phoenix

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I thought it was in Nevada

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I thought it was in California

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Yeah, we're all really bad with geography.

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Today we're learning that we really don't know the geography of Jamerica.

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Jamerica.

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I don't know where Jamerica is.

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Sounds good though.

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Jameriquai?

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I've seen him live.

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He's fucking great.

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Yes, maybe we should talk about some of their videos someday.

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Okay, let's talk about the lady who we just kind of see occasionally generating on the rock.

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My main problem with this video, well, one of the many problems with this video, is that he professes his undying love to this lady.

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The whole song is about her, how amazing she is and how much he loves her.

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Yet, all we see, or mostly what we see, is him.

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So the whole pivoting moment about the song is not her, but him.

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He's the only important person, although the song is about her.

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I tried to listen to the lyrics, so I just about managed it.

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I'm guessing the song's about the fact that he thought he was in love but then...

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No, no, no, no.

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The song is hilariously bad.

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It means because we're fucking having a bowl.

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Said I loved you but I lied.

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Because this is more than love I feel inside.

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Said I loved you but I was wrong.

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Because love could never ever feel so strong.

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So we could not stop making butthfuck jokes.

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Because we were 15.

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Right, so I totally misinterpreted the song.

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He's saying that what he has is stronger than love.

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Yeah, this was what I was saying, it's not a breakup song.

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Have you ever seen Interstellar?

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That film claims that love is the only thing that can transcend time and space.

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So Michael Bolton's saying that there's something even better than that.

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Butt sex.

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Okay, let's move on.

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Cut that one out, eh?

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Yep.

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No, this was what I was saying earlier on, that this is not a breakup song.

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It's a love song.

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And it doesn't...

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This is why I was trying to compare it to Wicked Game.

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because Wicked Game is a love song, but in an silly way, you should read the lyrics because

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I'm not going to get into them right now, but they spend a lot of time showing both Chris Isaac and

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the lady whose name I can't remember right now, I think she's a relatively famous model,

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and they show them like almost equally, and they show her, yeah, frolicking around,

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obviously being an eye candy for him, but also showing her doing things, as opposed to here,

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where she's just gyrating on rocks

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and looking like she's having the best trip of her life.

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She's rolling around in that rock.

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The video is like frustratingly male-centric

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when the song is not.

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Am I going too much into feminism here with Michael Bolton?

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No.

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Was it Wicked Games, the other video?

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You actually get a sense of a relationship out of that one.

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This one is literally just him kicking around by himself

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and having the odd flashback to nothing, really.

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To her gyrating because that's probably the most interesting thing.

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Women are only bodies.

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They probably only had the model for a day

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and they were just like,

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just go gyrate on that rock for a bit.

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Yeah, pretty much, yeah.

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We'll just fill the rest with Bolton.

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It's a fascinating hammy,

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yet incredibly boring video.

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It manages to do both.

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And I'm going to throw out a suggestion

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that it's probably because it was done in

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93, yet it looked like

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it should have been made in 84

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or 85.

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Yeah, I was shocked earlier when you said that

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in the chat because I was just like I was watching it going like oh what a hilarious 80s music video

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yeah it is a hilarious 80s music video you're right it is called they want their double denim

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back double denim is getting back in fashion now it's never it's never been out of fashion if you're

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if you're confident enough to pull off double denim Michael Boson clearly is I was thinking

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when I was watching it it's just like if if someone like South Park or something made a spoof

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80s music video this is what they would do like to a T the cliches have obviously got a start from

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somewhere if you watch an old action film or something like you might be watching the film

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that started it i was wondering if maybe this started those cliches but then nelly said this

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was made in 1993 and i was like okay no he's ended all cliches like the thing is is it actually cheesy

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it just feels a bit because when you watch actual 80s video they're cheesy and this one is done too

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late to be cheesy it's just desperate and a bit sad yeah it's not it's not really got that kind of

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Cap funny, like, just kind of creatively bankrupt.

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I do enjoy watching it, though,

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because there's just something inherently hilarious.

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I think this sort of genre of music was probably tired at this point.

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I was kind of segwaying into sort of punk and rock and 90s pop.

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I don't know, maybe it didn't age as well as it should have.

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A lot of choking going on in this video as well.

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I'm just sending it two images through.

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Choking?

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Oh, it's...

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It's not really choking.

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He's not necessarily choking, but he's caressing like a vampire looking for the jugular.

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And the second one looks like he's doing like a Kong boom and over.

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I think my favourite moment of the video is when it cuts to his cave, which I'm guessing is some sort of bat cave or sort of rave dungeon sort of situation.

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I just like the ambience of the place. I would happily go see a gig there, but not Michael Bolton.

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The worst moment where it was all the fucking unmotivated eagle shots.

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At least you could vaguely argue that the horses represented something or was a callback to his relationship,

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but the eagles were just something they shot because they were in the Grand Canyon and so fuck it, let's shove that in.

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Yeah, so favourite part, probably wading through water in jeans.

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Because why the hell not?

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I don't see the point of it.

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And I just love the fact that someone had to tell.

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Mike, you know, we're going to have to get your feet wet.

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And he's probably like, oh no, these are good jeans.

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And I kind of just wish I was there for that conversation.

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Yeah, I think it's probably that.

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But it just, yeah, the fact it looks like he's pissed himself

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because he's walking through water.

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You can tell it was deeper at one point because of the water line.

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worst one would be the fire

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the fire which is constantly throughout the video

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I could not figure out the reason for any of that

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it wasn't really clear or apparent why there was fire

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I don't know like the fire it always looked to me like campfire

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because he was already very cowboy

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so you know cowboys at night campfire

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telling stories to each other

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he just started just burst it into a song

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why not

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well we've already established that he's there for a couple of days

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because he keeps changing his clothes

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so yeah he needs to keep himself warm at night where he's he's cooking up his

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beast to fuel his next stage of his existential crisis i'm gonna come okay uh so my favorite

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moment is his gorgeous hair it's just so much hair envy i i know you guys have short hairs but

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you just don't understand when you see this shiny locks just cascading down his shoulders and i just

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want that hair for myself what what like on you or on someone else no scalp him and put it on my head

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and the worst moment is

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the body hair elsewhere

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just button up your shirt mate

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like someone told him he was super sexy

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and super masculine

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he ain't

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so you like his head hair

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but you don't like his chest hair

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is that what you're saying

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indeed yes

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interesting

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look hair is great

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in moderation

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I don't know why I said that

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in such an accusatory fashion

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interesting

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how dare you

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it's a bit over the top

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yeah it's hair all up in this

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bitch

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okay so we're doing conclusion

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yeah the first time i watched this absolutely loved it because it was just pure cheese and

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i think as i said earlier if i haven't cut out there's just something fundamentally hilarious

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about that kind of power ballady bearing your soul jiggery pokery but the more i watched it i think i

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watched it like three or four times and got bored of it very quickly and yeah so yeah it was a no for

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me yeah so it it sort of has the initial vibe of something a lot more epic than it actually is and

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i think it's sort of let down but i'm going to say the weak plot points of the video it's a bit maybe

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to the point and is maybe trying to be a you know an 80s trope of a you know a way music videos

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should be made versus the way maybe they were starting to be made in the 90s and I just don't

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think they got behind it it is pretty boring you know it once you kind of look past the initial

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fun of him waiting through water standing on rocks singing sort of in the desert this becomes a bit

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naff after a while I think it would be a no from me it's no for me as well obviously it's a bad

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video but i'm kind of with Dave on that it was fun and hammy for the first watch until you realize

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that that's a really good 80s video only that it was made in 93 and it just kind of ruined it i would

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have scored it as a complete eye because to be cheesy had it been made in the 80s but by 93 it

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was just sad what are you doing with your life and your career mike

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Join us again next time

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for Stings If I Ever Lose My Faith

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in You. Bye everyone.

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Till the next time. Bye.

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Bye. Is anyone else waving

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at the microphone? Yeah.

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Bye.

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- Oh, shit.