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You guys sound like robots.

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Try hang up and go back in again.

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Sound like robotic cats.

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Meow.

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I'll restart Discord.

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Bear with.

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Hello and welcome to We Can't Rewind, We've Gone Too Far, a podcast...

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Can't even say the word.

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I maybe should not be drinking before I start recording.

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Nah, it makes it better.

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Oh.

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Hello and welcome to We Can't Rewind, We've Gone Too Far,

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a podcast where a Scotsman, an Irishman, and a Bulgarian review

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the most terrible, silliest, and weirdest-as-fuck music videos.

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Hi, I'm Nelly.

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Hi, I'm Dave.

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Hi, I'm Neil.

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Today we're just not sure if we're still picking from the acid we took earlier,

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as we just watched Peter Gabriel's Sledgehammer and his shitty swag.

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You could have a steam train

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If you don't

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Lay down your tracks

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You could have

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An airplane

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Flying

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If you bring

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Your blue sky back

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All you do

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Is call me

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I'll be

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Anything you need

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Shot and released in 1986

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This video won millions of awards, unsurprisingly and fully deservingly.

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It was directed by Stephen R. Johnston and produced by Adam Whitaker.

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Johnston is known for directing some videos for Talking Heads and Dire Straits,

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as well as directing the first season of Pee Wee's Playhouse.

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He also led the creation of a short film for Amnesty International.

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Unfortunately, he passed away in 2015, but even if Sledgehammer was the only thing he ever directed,

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it would still be quite the heritage.

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There is a lot to talk about the production and cultural legacy of the video.

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It's obvious that everyone on set had great fun working on the project

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and put great amounts of energy into the production.

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It's still to date, allegedly, the most played video on MTV.

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It is, without shadow of a doubt, a video that is too good to be on this podcast,

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but hey, here we are.

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Even if you don't like it or the song itself, you just can't stop watching.

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Think of it as a negative November rain,

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as there was certainly a lot of money and people involved,

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but every single part has its place and not for a second do you feel like it's a platform for

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peter gabriel's ego a negative novemberian or an anti-negative novemberian we went full circle

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there's love of money and there's love of artistry but it's not shit and that's good

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yes can we all just agree immediately it's a great video we all love it it's three eyes

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across the board it's fucking right yeah it's an eye for me yeah hi yeah yeah yeah and i just

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wrap this podcast you have done

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the great video watching. See you all next week guys.

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I've not even watched it and I loved it.

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It's the first time I've watched it since I was a kid

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watched it or really listened to the song

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properly and it's just as good

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as I remember with some slightly more

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adult themes that I didn't remember at the time.

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It's so colourful and so fun

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and so much fun that it's entertaining

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for adults and children.

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It's like the Pixar movie of

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music videos. That's a good way to put it.

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Full of more sperm.

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Right from the get go

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we have a shot of a sperm kicking about.

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Oh, it's kind of like the creation of man, isn't it?

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Because you see like division spitting of cells at some point afterwards.

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And I was wondering where they got that footage from,

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if they got it from some medical lab or if it's actually Peter Gabriel's sperm.

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Just imagine.

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You can tell because it's really good at the drums.

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I think Neil might be hearing a bit delayed.

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Neil say...

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One, two, say.

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Neil say what?

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Right.

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Oh, wow, that is delayed.

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That's a new one.

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Dave or Nelly, say bacon.

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Bacon?

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Three, five, six.

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Okay.

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Any better?

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I don't know.

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You tell us.

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Well, I mean, I think I'm talking in real time now.

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Oh, yeah.

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Say bacon.

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Bacon?

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Yeah, that sounds good.

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But, like, when I watched the video for the first time, or, like, remember, as a kid.

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Oh, no, have I lost you?

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I thought the beginning scene was fish.

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So you're bacon.

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I was like, what, four or five?

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How the fuck would I know what sperm is?

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You don't know.

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So I thought it was with fish.

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And they were swimming around.

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And I was always like, oh, look, my fish is.

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And I was like, yes.

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Yes, that's a lovely fish.

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Yes, let's call it fish.

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It does swim around.

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I don't remember that bit from the start.

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I don't think I watched it frequently when I was younger or something like that.

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But I'm wondering if maybe it got cut out before nine o'clock or something like that.

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I mean, it's possible.

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But also we're talking about

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Jinji Borgarian TV,

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which, you know,

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just like fucking just shot everything.

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It probably wasn't cut out here either.

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I probably just don't remember it.

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I was just like,

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oh, look at the fish.

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I've just got it looping here

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and it just went to him

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like poking a spot in his head

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and him flexing his ears

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and stuff like that.

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Oh, that's cool.

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I like that.

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It's kind of like he's a robot

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figuring out how to function.

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When I watched it,

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I was like,

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what the fuck?

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Did they miss all the references?

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And then when they read the lyrics, I was like,

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Jesus, how did that pass?

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How did they play that on MTV, like daytime TV?

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Bumping cars.

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Bumping cars.

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Open up your fruit cage is my personal favourite.

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It's quite graphic.

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Yeah, but also you can refer to so many different orifices.

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Or just trying this on my phone.

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Hi, bacon.

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Hi.

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Oh, bacon indeed.

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Yes, yes.

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Bacon, bacon, pig, pig, pig.

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I have an unrelated story to this.

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When we were teens, my friends decided to do like online radio kind of thing.

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The problem is that the guy who was hosting it was like,

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I need to know whether there's any issues with the broadcasting.

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And whenever there's some issues with broadcasting, he needed to push a button.

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I don't remember the name of the actual like function,

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but it was something starting with the letter P.

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So he was basically like, whenever there's an issue with the actual broadcasting,

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Everyone just starts texting me the word penis.

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So you can remind myself to do whatever that function was.

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So basically, occasionally, he'll just get a line of text of...

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A line of text that just say penis, penis, penis.

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And that was me at 16, everyone.

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It's a good way to alert.

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If we ever do a live show, that can be the code word for it's fucked.

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It is fucked.

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Well, penis is better than bacon.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Wow, bacon is really delicious.

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okay let's talk about the video about sex

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okay are you functioning nioh i think so audio wise not in general no one's functioning right now

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is your penis working nioh last time i checked it was doing something so i'll take that as a

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take that as a maybe um should we go back to our biology lesson for today guys yes yes yes okay

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cool because my beer is finishing and that scares me.

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I might actually get some booze.

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I'm in the mood now. Two things.

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Okay, well, I'm going to

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grab another one. The recording this week

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might actually be full of seagulls because

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they're really, really loud today.

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Dave, do you ever notice seagulls in

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my recordings at all? Not really.

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No, but probably because there's seagulls

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outside my window, so as far

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as I'm concerned, seagulls are just a universal

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constant. I miss seagulls.

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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss seagulls.

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I've lived around seagulls my whole life.

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Like my hometown was by the sea and then Glasgow was full of seagulls.

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Near fucking seagulls in fucking Serbiton.

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There's a few down near the tip.

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The tip.

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Is it next to the tip, Scott?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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The recycling center.

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Yes, because we're talking about sex, Scott.

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We're talking about the tip.

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The tip.

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Read the room, Scott.

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Just the tip.

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Just the tip of the sledgehammer.

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Yes, literally.

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The sledgehammer is his penis.

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You could have a big tip of...

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Going up and down

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All around the bend

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You could have a fun

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The car

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Bumping

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There's amusement

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Never ends

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I wanna be

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The sledgehammer

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The hammer is my penis.

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This is definitely a horny video

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but not crude

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or feels like a biology lesson

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It feels like a Sesame Street episode.

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I think if they showed this as like sex education and schools, you'd learn something.

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I mean, I don't know how you sex-ed those guys, but I probably learned more from this video than I ever did in the school.

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It kind of reminds me like in a really old films, if they didn't want to show a sex scene or whatever,

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they would cut to a train going through a tunnel or other such metaphors.

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I think that comes from Strangers on the Train.

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As a naked gun as well.

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They're probably spiffing strangers on a train then, I guess.

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Like, even if you just ignore the very clear text about fucking,

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it's a fantastically well-made video.

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And, like, you wouldn't really expect...

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I didn't actually know it was Artman Animations who produced it.

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Yeah, I didn't know that until today.

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Yeah, it's fucking fantastic, isn't it?

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Makes sense now.

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Yeah.

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Although that's, I believe, one of the first thingy things-ish, I guess.

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You kind of look at it going, they're probably the only people who could pull it off, I suppose.

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I don't know, was this before or after Walss and Gromit?

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That's the important question.

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It's before, I believe.

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86?

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Walss and Gromit was in the early 90s, wasn't it?

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89.

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89 was the original release date, so it probably would have been late 88, 89.

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So this was before Walss and Gromit.

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So this movie put them on the map.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's possible that they were doing, like, just in terms of people, like, animators.

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They were probably doing stuff before that anyway.

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But yeah, it's fucking fantastic.

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I love it so much.

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I think you guys have some experience with stop motion, don't you?

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Not claymation, though.

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I was going to say, I've had some very, very crude.

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I don't like making it.

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I just don't have the patience for it.

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My mind can't even conceive of how long it would take to do something like that.

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Especially with a person, never mind even a bit of clay, you know?

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So the thing about stop motion is that you need to have a really, really good storyboard.

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And I'm sure that they had like literally every single shot was storyboarded.

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which makes everything so much faster.

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And I think there was some trivia somewhere

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that Peter Gabriel was lying for about, I think, 16 hours

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under a glass sheet, which I presume was like one-to-one go.

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It's a lot, but also considering how long it takes to make this,

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it's actually quite fast in terms of everything.

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Did you know I have a story about the chickens?

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Like when I was watching it as a kid,

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I was really fucking fascinated by it.

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Was it strings?

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Like, was it, like, wire inside?

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Was it animatronic of some sort?

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But, like, what was it?

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It just felt like fucking magic.

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I loved it so much.

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I'm still not sure how they made it.

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Presumably it's some strings of some sort

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or, like, some mechanism.

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Probably had, like, wire inside the chickens

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so they could, you know, manipulate them.

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It's a bit creepy, but I love it.

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Claymation shot in a razorhead involving a chicken,

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which I think is probably kind of tainted that moment for me.

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I have not seen razorhead, actually,

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so you might need to elaborate on this.

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I'm pretty sure it was a chicken giving birth.

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Like a roast chicken.

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Giving birth to another chicken.

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Maybe another chicken.

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Maybe it wasn't giving birth.

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It was just like opening up his leg and shitloads of blood coming out and stuff like that.

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Which is a lovely image.

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Do we not all love David Lynch?

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Yeah.

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The bit where he sort of forms his ice sculpture.

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That's pretty weird.

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Then his real head kind of just fades in.

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Physical effect of some sort.

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It looks physical at first, but I don't know how you'd do that.

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Let's have a look.

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Maybe they melted the ice head and then went backwards.

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Oh, it kind of gives me a lot of vibes of Terminator 2 and the way it was.

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Yeah, they definitely melted it.

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It actually, it's hollow.

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It's not solid.

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You can see by the way it melts.

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It's sort of, you can see the outside of it rather than, you know, like a big solid ball.

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I think that's all in camera.

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So they would have done like a plaster cast of his face and then scaled it with the camera frame.

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That's why it sort of seamlessly lends into him because it's the exact same side as his head.

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But that is sick.

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You know, the amount of creativity that the stop motion kind of allows like animators and whatnot to do.

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You just can't really do the same thing on a computer.

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I think that's why still stop motion films and sort of animated films are still sort of made.

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say they have a characteristic that can't really be made you know uh synthetically guys from like

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imagine if this video was directed by our our good friend howie just thinking that he would have he

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would have tried to do it in some form of horrific cgi mode yeah it would have been like oh i wasn't

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that money for nothing like the really really squarish cgi window three cgi that's right

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the bit where he literally becomes a man made entirely of clay oh that's really cool yeah it's

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a really good model oh well yeah that's a bit that's a bit that's pretty fucking strange now

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because he he turns into the clay man his hands turn into sledgehammers and then he hits himself

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and like a sort of smaller version of him starts growing at the side of his head it's a metaphor for

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masturbation oh no i actually don't know what it is but it's like it could be well oh and a giraffe

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because past window

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never knows.

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That's also a

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masturbation metaphor.

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Oh my god,

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I think it might be

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because there's lots

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of little sperms

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in the wall behind them.

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Again,

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but the sperms.

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Show me round

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your fruit cage

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Cause I will be

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your honeybee

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Open up your fruit cage

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Where the fruit

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every sweet as can be

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Mates and peas

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I'm not that kind of doctor.

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When you see what else was there, like in the 80s and 90s,

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some amazing videos, but nothing ever came nearly as close

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as how fantastic this video is.

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The song for me is like mediocre at best, but that video just makes it.

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I actually really enjoy the song.

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No, it's fair.

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It's cheese, but it's good cheese with incredibly dirty lyrics,

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which is nice.

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It's dirty lyrics sounds the actual swearing, which is kind of fun.

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Like, they can really go over your head.

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I don't know if I'm just imagining this at this point,

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but the whole video he has a sort of look in his face.

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He knows that you know, if that makes sense.

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It does.

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I just wonder whether it's just his face.

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It might just be his face,

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or it might be whatever strange things he was doing

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to make the stop motion work.

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Like, would he have to, like, move his face a certain way?

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Probably.

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They probably, like, figured out which sound his mouth needs to make.

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I know.

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Like, did you look fluent when you actually play it?

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Yeah.

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So he probably, he was, they would all like,

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oh, make the sound O with your mouth or whatever.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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Our, like, five listeners, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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I did work on a puppet film a few years ago, which was awesome.

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I remember the puppeteer, there was one shot where another puppet came in,

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so when the crew just had to grab a puppet and do it,

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and it was like a sock puppet, and he was talking,

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and the puppeteer was just going like,

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no, no, you have to make like an O shape,

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like you're saying O with your hand.

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in the puppet and stuff like that so maybe it translates over kind of i think that they just

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did like a straight out stop motion with like taking like taking single shots as opposed to

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like say because they can't really just set up the camera to shoot at every like whatever like

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10 seconds or whatever because they needed to animate around him i'd imagine that's how it went

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speaking of animating around him the hair his hair in the roller coaster scene it's pretty good it's

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fucking fantastic yeah it was just like every time when i watch it just makes me happy because it just

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feel so natural when it's not it's just a lot of gel yeah it's it's one of those you can totally

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see how they did it but it fucking worked and the the chop board roller coaster in the background

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is pretty awesome as well i think that's the thing that kind of keeps something make me think about

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sesame street to be honest like the chop board and the vegetables the vegetable that's pretty pretty

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good as well actually it is yeah but it's pretty much like sesame street straightforward like let's

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Learn about the vegetables.

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Open up your fruit cage.

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He's going to be your honeybee or something like that, if I remember it.

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That's very, very sexy.

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I do like being stung.

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Stung by Peter Gabriel.

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Hey, he's still not incredibly ugly.

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I actually don't know how he looks like nowadays.

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Let's take a second.

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Looks like a dad.

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Like a young Jesus.

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Oh, Jesus, sorry.

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I'm going to go ahead and say that he was, like, not ugly.

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as a younger person.

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All I'm saying is I would.

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Bump his bumper cars or whatever.

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Ooh.

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Is either of you actually fans of

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Genesis?

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Genesis.

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Not so much.

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He's, from what I gather,

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he's inspired,

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he inspired later

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Bon Iver stuff.

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And that's really good.

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Which is kind of just like

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a futuristic version of Genesis.

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So maybe,

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maybe I might like it if I tried it.

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I mean,

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which is probably what

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Peter Gabriel said to people as well.

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Like, I don't really like,

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I forgot the other guy's name.

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The guy who became

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the lead singer after he left.

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oh yeah I forgot about that

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because there was more than one

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wasn't there

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I'm all for the drummer

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that's good

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oh yeah no that's why

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I'm thinking of Phil Collins

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Phil Collins yeah

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yeah

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I

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I don't like

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I think his voice is interesting

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but I don't actually like

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his music much at all

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I think the majority

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of Genesis that I know

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is related to

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Phil Collins' era

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I think I'm

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I'm roughly the same

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but like I couldn't name you

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I couldn't name you

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a song honestly

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so

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I'll Spotify some

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Genesis

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subscribe to the podcast tell your friends all five of you yeah better subscribe quick we're

452
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running out of spaces i hope you all have at least one friend everyone needs a friend guys what is

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your thought on the parts of the video that are not stop motion because like occasionally you have

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shots that are very clearly actual shots oh they're shit they really are yeah yeah no i think about

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that it just kind of takes me away from the feeling i think three minutes 50 it just cuts to a shot of

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him and a bunch of other people dancing but it's clearly just kind of slowing down a little bit

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slowed down and yeah it just kind of take it out for a moment interesting set design it gives me

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kind of maybe it's because i used to work in an old folks home but it gives me old folks home vibes

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so that kind of throws me off a little bit just from the just from the wallpaper and stuff although

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that said when it goes back to him dancing again it looks like they're doing something weird with

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the frame rate for a second yeah would you just have made like a full screen a full size puppet of

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him to dance instead of you.

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That would have been pretty cool.

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The clay head was not enough. We need a life-size

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Peter Gabriel mannequin.

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No, just like, just a Muppet.

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Like an actual Muppet.

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And like, you can see the

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not the strings, like the

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things that prop up the hands.

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Oh, the sticky things.

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Yeah, the sticky things, yes.

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Propping up the hands and everything. Can we just point

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out that this video took a fucking week

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to, like, from beginning to end

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and they had an actual title card at the end

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with all the people who worked on it

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and I fucking stand for this

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that's amazing

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like yeah give me the name of the runners

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like I don't know what they did

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but yes please give me the name of those people

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they also mattered for that

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like five and a half minute production

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it's kind of strange that music videos

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don't have title cards or whatever you call them

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like obviously before IMDB was a thing

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you would have absolutely no way of knowing

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it's like even today like

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you'll occasionally see like the DOP

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in the YouTube description or something like that.

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But beyond that, you don't have a clue, really.

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Yeah, well, we have the same with Vemba Rain.

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Not the same, the opposite with Vemba Rain,

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where it's a fucking 10-minute long video

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and all you know, it's who the director is.

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That took, like, so many people building sets

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and scouting locations

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and the fucking helicopter driver or whatever,

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pilot, driver, whatever, pilot, helicopter pilot.

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We would never know their names.

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But in general, yeah, I would like to see more credits in life.

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Everyone should get a bit of credit.

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Unless you're a wanker.

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I get the habit, get the habit, get the habit

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Shut my skin, shut my skin

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This is the new stuff, this is the new stuff

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I go dancing, I go dance

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There's my fucking instrument

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Can you pluck like Bungle?

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Yeah, I can.

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I'm the best pluck of hair.

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I used to watch this on repeat when I was a kid.

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My parents had a VHS of Peter Gabriel's music videos.

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I think there was a release or something back in the late 80s or early 90s,

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and they just so happened to have this.

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But my parents had a lot of music,

518
00:21:08,260 --> 00:21:11,000
which at the time I wouldn't really have understood,

519
00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:12,280
a lot of really good stuff.

520
00:21:12,540 --> 00:21:14,360
But I think this one, for me and my brother,

521
00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:16,660
really stood out because just the way it looked.

522
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,640
I mean, I don't think I really cared about the music or, you know, the actual singing or whatnot.

523
00:21:20,740 --> 00:21:26,820
It was more about this magical music video, which just, you know, blew our minds at the time.

524
00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:32,500
So I have pretty fond memories listening to this, sitting on my living room floor and just watching it on repeat.

525
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,760
But yeah, I think the whole campy approach to Peter Gabriel's style of music videos is, I don't know,

526
00:21:37,820 --> 00:21:41,480
I kind of feel it's in a league of its own and it's kind of timeless.

527
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:48,920
I don't think this video that's, what, almost 30, 35 years old, give or take, does not, you know, feel old.

528
00:21:49,260 --> 00:21:52,800
You know, you watch videos or the other videos that we've kind of critiqued.

529
00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:54,700
They just haven't aged.

530
00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:55,780
They look shit.

531
00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:57,200
And they're just terrible.

532
00:21:57,500 --> 00:22:02,420
And I can imagine that whenever they were pitching this video, they were probably like, no, it's going to cost too much money.

533
00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:07,500
Let's go up to a mountain, get a helicopter and just, you know, sing into the chasm.

534
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:08,240
But I don't know.

535
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:13,140
I just kind of think this video had a lot going for and it'll probably always come back on people

536
00:22:13,140 --> 00:22:16,680
and they'll always look at it and I don't know, give them some inspiration.

537
00:22:17,060 --> 00:22:22,540
So when I rewatched it now, I kind of remembered how much I loved it back as a kid and I love it now.

538
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,240
How fabulously executed as a short film is and how fantastical it is.

539
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:35,980
And now as an adult, I can appreciate how it's both innocent and horny and fun and a tiny bit of shocking and a bit scary even.

540
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,400
Honestly, I don't think the song would have been remembered as fondly as it is now

541
00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:45,420
if it wasn't for the mastery of the Iron Man animation and the Brothers Quay.

542
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,460
Everything in this video is just, it's planned to the second.

543
00:22:48,650 --> 00:22:53,540
And I find it hilarious how they've managed to make the images so innocent

544
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,700
when the images are a response to the lyrics that are very, very, very horny.

545
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,660
And yeah, I love this video.

546
00:23:00,820 --> 00:23:03,880
It's by far my favorite video we've reviewed here,

547
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,640
Which is not very difficult because it's like it's going against like fucking T-Rim or whatever.

548
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,220
But it's still like, it's a fucking fantastic video.

549
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:18,920
And now that they've actually been reminded of it, I will keep on watching it because it's, as Neo said, timeless.

550
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,140
I'm to be a citizen. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

551
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:25,720
Two beers are really hot.

552
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,460
Shut up. I've been to work. I've had to do it in general public.

553
00:23:30,660 --> 00:23:33,820
That's the equivalent of at least a shot of tequila right there.

554
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:40,660
a shot of some book some book some butcher a hard alcohol anyway they've gone i thought it was great

555
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,100
when i was a kid that i'm not a kid still amazing and the knowledge that peter gabriel's a randy

556
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:50,480
bastard has just made it better it's a master class in innuendo the animation is amazing and

557
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:56,200
the amount of effort that went into making it i've got to take my headphones off to to them for that

558
00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:56,600
effort so

559
00:23:59,120 --> 00:23:59,440
nice

560
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,200
now put your

561
00:24:01,260 --> 00:24:01,740
headphones back

562
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,220
on so you

563
00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:02,560
can actually

564
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,100
listen to us

565
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:03,900
should we do

566
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:04,620
best and worst

567
00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:04,900
moments

568
00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:05,780
play-doh man

569
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:06,900
i think that's

570
00:24:07,260 --> 00:24:07,720
one thing that

571
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:08,440
really takes me

572
00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:09,020
back to when i

573
00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:09,580
watched this video

574
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,260
like when he

575
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:10,900
just turned in

576
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:11,740
to a play-doh

577
00:24:11,860 --> 00:24:12,400
man blew my

578
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,860
mind okay

579
00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:14,760
okay he was

580
00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:15,520
an ice sculpture

581
00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:16,460
and all that

582
00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:17,240
but yeah that

583
00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:17,860
that bitch is

584
00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:19,760
what he was

585
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:20,200
probably quite

586
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:20,800
relieved about

587
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,280
that bit as

588
00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:21,600
well because

589
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,080
he didn't have

590
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:22,400
to be under

591
00:24:22,420 --> 00:24:23,040
the glass table

592
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:23,800
for two more

593
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:24,540
hours yeah

594
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:25,559
yeah probably

595
00:24:25,580 --> 00:24:32,160
what's your least favorite so when i was a kid i had these recurring dreams and anything i watched

596
00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:39,180
sort of ended up in my dream so it's part of the reason why i'm terrified of i don't know if you're

597
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:46,540
familiar with it like it's stephen king's tommy knockers or it or um close encounters of the third

598
00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:53,899
kind it's anything which is kind of psychologically but looking back now it's not really hard um this

599
00:24:53,920 --> 00:25:00,520
video gave me weird nightmares for quite a while um i don't know why you know it's it's it's totally

600
00:25:00,780 --> 00:25:05,660
innocent and friendly and whatnot but i just sort of think that being caught up in that world would

601
00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:12,280
be pretty terrifying yeah good but terrifying is a yeah yeah i think you said in the the introduction

602
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:16,520
it is a little bit like a an acid trip you can't get it off because if all that shit was actually

603
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,139
flying around your head stuff like you'd be about freaked out you turn into a fruit salad and then

604
00:25:21,580 --> 00:25:22,800
You end up in a party yourself?

605
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,720
Yeah, that's enough to probably tip you over the edge.

606
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:27,140
Yeah, but he turned into a fruit salad

607
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,800
because someone opened a fruit cage.

608
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:29,120
Yes.

609
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,560
I was a lemon, and then I ate myself,

610
00:25:34,540 --> 00:25:36,820
and then I woke up and I was blue, and then...

611
00:25:36,820 --> 00:25:38,440
Oh, that scene when he turns blue,

612
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,820
again, the background is so fucking good.

613
00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:41,360
Yeah.

614
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:42,720
I just love it so much.

615
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,860
It's totally seamless.

616
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:44,940
Yeah.

617
00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:45,680
Brilliant.

618
00:25:46,340 --> 00:25:49,040
So, my favorite moment is the dancing chicken.

619
00:25:49,580 --> 00:25:52,340
and all against all the stop motion inclination.

620
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,200
It's all fantastic and I love it.

621
00:25:55,340 --> 00:25:58,000
But the dancing chickens just bothered me so much as a kid.

622
00:25:58,120 --> 00:25:59,280
I just felt like it was magic.

623
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,460
And I can still do.

624
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,560
And the least favorite moment is the end

625
00:26:03,820 --> 00:26:06,520
when he is kind of wearing like a black suit,

626
00:26:06,860 --> 00:26:08,220
like a full body black suit

627
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,920
with like reflective light or reflective spots against him.

628
00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:15,480
I never liked that part.

629
00:26:15,670 --> 00:26:17,080
I still don't like it.

630
00:26:17,150 --> 00:26:18,340
I don't understand it.

631
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,580
It freaks me out.

632
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,760
It doesn't really add up to the same sort of quality.

633
00:26:22,940 --> 00:26:24,060
It's a weird way to end it.

634
00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:26,860
Maybe it was more obvious when they were making it,

635
00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:28,580
but it's really hard to tell what it is now.

636
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,760
Yeah, well, nowadays it just reminds me of the tracking suits.

637
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,280
It's like actors wear whenever they're doing CGI scenes.

638
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,480
But I think it's the case why I probably never watched Paranormal Activity 4

639
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,580
and I'm kind of scared of watching it

640
00:26:43,980 --> 00:26:46,539
because they have those whole things of like...

641
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,560
They have scenes where there's a kid which I think is a ghost.

642
00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:53,460
Kind of like it just dots in the shape of a human that move around.

643
00:26:54,420 --> 00:26:55,600
And now I've got that movie.

644
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,580
I'm never watching it.

645
00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:58,840
But I think it's because of this video.

646
00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:00,080
I think that's the fault.

647
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:04,080
It kind of looks like someone's turned on a UV light in his bedroom.

648
00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:06,800
And it's revealed a bit too much.

649
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,320
Just spots everywhere.

650
00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:11,280
Wink, wink.

651
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,240
Starts off where it began, doesn't it?

652
00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:13,880
Yeah.

653
00:27:15,220 --> 00:27:16,480
We get the close-up in the white shot.

654
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:16,960
There we go.

655
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,960
Yeah, my favourite part is the bit where he sings the lyric,

656
00:27:23,540 --> 00:27:24,340
bumper cars bumping.

657
00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:28,920
There's two, like, adorable, like, fucking adorable little cartoon bumper carts.

658
00:27:29,420 --> 00:27:29,880
What do you call it?

659
00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:30,580
Dodgems or whatever.

660
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,220
And they just come on and they ride around in the popcorn and they bash off them.

661
00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:38,040
And then they sing along with a song, which I just thought was fucking delightful.

662
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:39,900
And then they kind of disappear.

663
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,780
But little do those two adorable little bumper carts know that they are, in fact,

664
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,160
one of Peter Gabriel's sexual innuendos,

665
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,880
which I just find sort of

666
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,940
existentially hilarious, because they'll never

667
00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:51,240
know. They will never know.

668
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,540
The worst part is during

669
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,780
party scene at the end, this David

670
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:57,700
Cronenberg-esque, like,

671
00:27:57,940 --> 00:27:59,940
pink TV walks out, and

672
00:28:00,060 --> 00:28:01,860
then there's a mouth on the screen, and it

673
00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:03,440
sings along with, like, the background singers,

674
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,620
and it just, yeah, it's just something

675
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,920
weird about that TV. It's freaking me out, and I don't

676
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,620
know why. It's kind of flesh-coloured,

677
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,760
like, flesh that's just been

678
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,120
peeled. Nightmare feel, right?

679
00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:14,160
Yeah, yeah.

680
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,640
It's just like a...

681
00:28:15,660 --> 00:28:16,560
David Koronberg.

682
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:17,440
Yeah.

683
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Oh, God.

684
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,440
It was him all along.

685
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:19,980
I know.

686
00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:20,580
We should have known.

687
00:28:31,420 --> 00:28:32,280
Tune in next week.

688
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,300
We're going to do a special episode.

689
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,940
Possible special guest.

690
00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:38,980
It's a song called Bobby, Baby, Baba, whatever you want to call it, by Kelly Kay.

691
00:28:39,460 --> 00:28:40,520
You're in for something special.

692
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:41,540
That's all I can say.

693
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:43,580
Say goodbye, everyone, I guess.

694
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:44,240
Bye.

695
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:45,120
Bye, everyone.

696
00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:47,020
I'm really sorry, guys.

697
00:28:47,539 --> 00:28:48,860
I really am too busy.

698
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:50,620
I'm one and two.

699
00:28:51,340 --> 00:28:51,660
I'm sorry.

700
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,000
We're used to doing that under the influence.

701
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,600
What the fuck?

