1 00:00:00,380 --> 00:00:03,400 Some might say stuck on the edge of the horizon. 2 00:00:05,540 --> 00:00:06,780 Does that sound, Gordon Larkin? 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,740 No, no, it's like on the edge of a black hole. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:09,740 What's at the event horizon? 5 00:00:12,780 --> 00:00:14,280 I'll cut it out so we all laugh. 6 00:00:14,390 --> 00:00:15,060 Just everyone laugh. 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,180 Hello and welcome to We Can't Rewind, We've Gone Too Far, 8 00:00:29,380 --> 00:00:33,400 a podcast where a Scotsman, an Irishman and a Bulgarian review the most terrible, 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,600 silliest and weirdest as fuck music videos. 10 00:00:36,300 --> 00:00:37,120 Hi, I'm Nelly. 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,100 Hello, I'm David. 12 00:00:38,420 --> 00:00:39,280 Hello, I'm Neil. 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,040 Today, we will be discussing one of the most memorable 90s videos, 14 00:00:43,620 --> 00:00:45,200 Black Hole Sun by Soundgarden. 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,940 Strap in because we're going to be sucked into a giant black hole. 16 00:00:49,590 --> 00:00:49,860 Get it? 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,820 That was really bad. I loved it. 18 00:00:52,820 --> 00:00:56,120 Not you, your delivery was fine, my cheesy writing. 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:57,560 Bad by design. 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,720 Black hole sun, won't you come? 21 00:01:04,540 --> 00:01:07,260 Wash away the rain 22 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:11,680 Black hole sun, won't you come? 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,000 Won't you come? 24 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:15,900 Won't you come? 25 00:01:17,220 --> 00:01:19,680 We have a bit of history with the director of this one, 26 00:01:19,860 --> 00:01:20,600 Howard Greenhalgh. 27 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:22,060 Howard Greenhalgh. 28 00:01:22,060 --> 00:01:23,460 He also directed Go West, 29 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:26,240 which was the first video we attempted to talk about 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,820 and utterly failed because it's a pretty much constant stream of nonsense. 31 00:01:30,050 --> 00:01:32,600 And you never hear about this podcast ever again. 32 00:01:33,980 --> 00:01:35,700 I'm determined we're going to redo it at some point. 33 00:01:35,810 --> 00:01:39,940 Yeah, this is a similar one where just lots of random shit happens in quick succession 34 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,660 and you're not really quite sure what's going on. 35 00:01:41,910 --> 00:01:45,120 Do you think Howard's sort of unique selling point was, you know, 36 00:01:45,150 --> 00:01:48,980 he can do really high quality motion graphics and make things look... 37 00:01:48,980 --> 00:01:52,320 High quality. Define high quality because that's not high quality. 38 00:01:52,580 --> 00:01:55,880 Well, he can put you on any planet by the looks of things. 39 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,160 That's high quality to me. 40 00:01:58,420 --> 00:01:58,840 I don't know. 41 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,860 My issue is that, okay, so I had a lot of free time last several days. 42 00:02:02,980 --> 00:02:05,600 I watched through a lot of his videography. 43 00:02:05,860 --> 00:02:11,200 It just genuinely feels like he had access to a computer or like people who can do stuff. 44 00:02:11,580 --> 00:02:16,320 And he was like, okay, that's the reason why I'm going to search CGI in every single video I do. 45 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,340 Because that's high concept, isn't it? 46 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,120 Was it impressive at the time? 47 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,240 I can't really remember because it was around then. 48 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,380 You know those, you know where you can get like plugins for stuff now? 49 00:02:25,540 --> 00:02:30,360 of plugins for after effects i feel like he stumbled across like a late 80s early 90s version 50 00:02:30,420 --> 00:02:35,340 of these and thought shit i can make really hot like music videos make them like i do this world 51 00:02:35,580 --> 00:02:39,240 these days it does look like someone had a bit too much fun in after effects but i don't know if 52 00:02:39,260 --> 00:02:43,620 back in the day it was impressive i can't remember oh it kind of looks like look mom i've discovered 53 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:49,560 the warp tool yeah warp mouse i remember i actually remember it as a kid um when i first watched it 54 00:02:49,580 --> 00:02:53,699 it was like it was really fucking creepy yeah which to understand that there was not the target 55 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,720 audience but it was still fucking creepy as a kid this is probably a good point to say if you haven't 56 00:02:57,730 --> 00:03:01,800 seen this video go watch it on youtube we're trying something a bit different and not just going through 57 00:03:01,900 --> 00:03:05,520 the whole thing as a summary because it's a pain in the ass and it's probably going to be totally 58 00:03:05,620 --> 00:03:10,140 impossible for this video so just go watch it on youtube well i actually i i will elephant in the 59 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:15,280 corner and all that i mean it's a song that i've listened to many times my brother is a really big 60 00:03:15,430 --> 00:03:19,939 sound garden fan and it's always been creepy to me but you know it's a song i know and i've listened 61 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:25,500 too and i think i played it many times in rock band or guitar hero whatever one it was in um and 62 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:31,600 i've only recently seen the video oh really i feel like i'm i'm getting my uh i don't know i feel like 63 00:03:31,660 --> 00:03:36,360 i'm getting you know a glimpse into you know a history that i've not actually touched when i know 64 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,500 the song but i don't know the video i've never wanted to go see the video because i've never 65 00:03:40,660 --> 00:03:44,939 really thought you know what i'm gonna search on youtube or black old sun and see see what happens 66 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:51,000 but my god what a fucking visual feast it was yeah it was ridiculous i don't know it's a video you 67 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,780 just need to keep watching because he just keeps on giving i don't know if i'm jumping the gun here 68 00:03:54,790 --> 00:03:59,540 but i think as much as the visual effects look a bit cheesy today i think it still has the desired 69 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,680 effect i wasn't a huge sound garden fan but i was a huge audio slave fan so i guess i got there a bit 70 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:09,379 later maybe it's a good point to like point out in the video like none of the south gardens guys 71 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,980 actually had anything to do with the video. 72 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:15,020 Like it was all the director's idea completely. 73 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,100 It's probably a good thing 74 00:04:18,590 --> 00:04:20,940 because if you look at all the other videos they did 75 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:22,900 were very much like, oh, we're a rock band. 76 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:24,240 We're going to look like a rock band 77 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,660 standing in the crowd playing music. 78 00:04:25,940 --> 00:04:27,560 As much as I would be bashing the video later 79 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:28,400 because I would be. 80 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:30,580 It's still like conceptual about it. 81 00:04:30,780 --> 00:04:33,060 Chris Cornell said he kind of just left 82 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:35,000 the actual direction of the video to the director, 83 00:04:35,260 --> 00:04:37,600 obviously, and his role was, and I quote, 84 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,840 pretend to play and not look that excited about it. 85 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,260 I think they nailed, personally. 86 00:04:42,740 --> 00:04:43,060 No, definitely. 87 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,720 I think their performance in it was definitely the odd thing, 88 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:46,980 or the odd one out. 89 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,480 It just felt really disconnected from the landscape, 90 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,280 dreamscape, whatever you want to call it, 91 00:04:51,380 --> 00:04:52,400 that's going on in the background. 92 00:04:52,660 --> 00:04:54,820 It actually felt like it was two videos put together. 93 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,180 Or maybe they're summoning the Black Hole 94 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,100 with their raw rock energy 95 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,140 to get rid of all these weird fuckers. 96 00:05:03,300 --> 00:05:04,340 Do they get 16 again? 97 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:05,160 I can't remember. 98 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:07,000 I don't think they ever shown being 16. 99 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:12,720 and plot seconds it's like inception you know does it happen is it real is it a dream plus i mean for 100 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:18,160 a rock song and for the you know lead singer guitarist and whatnot to not look interested 101 00:05:18,340 --> 00:05:23,660 it's quite a curious um bold move especially by the director i wonder what his uh his plan was to 102 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:28,100 that one um i felt like it might have just been you know talking your way into having total control 103 00:05:28,380 --> 00:05:32,819 over to how to make this thing look the way you want it to look and making the band just there to 104 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:38,000 provide the you know the soundtrack the song oh it actually did read a couple of interviews and he 105 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:44,100 said in one of them that chris cornell specifically or just the band specifically said that they don't 106 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:50,640 want their faces digitally like changed manipulated and they said that i presume maybe that was the 107 00:05:50,740 --> 00:05:55,720 original idea that they would be part of the like surreal dreamscape that's hilarious because i mean 108 00:05:55,840 --> 00:06:02,800 every single shot of them they're warped they've been sort of weirdly yeah weirdly yeah weirdly i 109 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:05,200 it just looks like they're slightly distorted. 110 00:06:05,570 --> 00:06:06,980 I didn't know that was intentional. 111 00:06:07,030 --> 00:06:09,120 I guess they were trying to get them a bit more 112 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:11,180 in tone with the race as opposed to just 113 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,140 static images of them on green screen. 114 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,200 I think he said that the 115 00:06:15,370 --> 00:06:17,240 opening scene, sorry, the video is supposed 116 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,160 to resemble the opening scene 117 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,100 of Blue Velvet, which completely 118 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:23,120 bi, but also it kind of means that he 119 00:06:23,340 --> 00:06:24,720 completely misunderstood Blue Velvet. 120 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,300 I think that's one of my biggest problems with the video 121 00:06:27,420 --> 00:06:29,160 is the warp, like the 122 00:06:29,340 --> 00:06:31,140 CGI. I understand that it was 123 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:36,000 very of its time but the problem is that it's immediately dated now and it was dated by the end 124 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,740 of the 90s as well i mean it looks ugly it really does like yeah the cgi looks ugly but i don't know 125 00:06:40,820 --> 00:06:44,440 what you would you make of the rest of the video is it well shot from your guys points of view i 126 00:06:44,580 --> 00:06:52,280 really like the colors it definitely conveying the whole idea of a very 50s style neighborhood in the 127 00:06:52,420 --> 00:06:57,240 states like steppard wives that's the vibe i was yeah which is good but i think that's my problem 128 00:06:57,260 --> 00:07:01,480 with the like the warping because i don't know i kind of feel like it wasn't needed because you 129 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,720 got some amazing shots of all the actors both kids and adults who just before they got warped 130 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:13,320 they're like psychotic eyes and very unnatural smiles because they were still them and it felt 131 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,740 like it felt more off for me as opposed to the moment when they start getting warped it would be 132 00:07:17,940 --> 00:07:22,460 creepy regardless of whether they actually warped anything i think about it and there's generally 133 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,220 quite a lot of weird shit going on like the fucking what looks like an actual alive fish getting 134 00:07:27,460 --> 00:07:32,540 caught up i'm sure it was life it just didn't get caught up oh well it doesn't get caught but it's uh 135 00:07:32,980 --> 00:07:37,820 it's not in the water so it's not happy and there's also an insect at one point which looks 136 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:43,000 alive as well so oh it's at the like the cockroach there is a scene for whoever hasn't seen the video 137 00:07:43,220 --> 00:07:49,540 yet there is a scene where a couple of kids are holding a cockroach close to a uh like um magnifying 138 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:53,760 glass yeah magnifying glass things uh trying to set you some fire that's the vibe of the video we're 139 00:07:53,780 --> 00:07:59,220 talking about today uh there's definitely a lot of high concept scenes like the family the kind of 140 00:07:59,460 --> 00:08:06,900 watching static tv father is on his knees in front of the tv it's kind of vaguely sexual i don't want 141 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:11,400 to say i guess you could kind of argue a lot that's kind of my first metaphorical images sort 142 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:16,560 of situation crouching staring at a static tv like oh he's a slave to television blah blah but i don't 143 00:08:16,660 --> 00:08:20,819 do you think that's what i was trying to say slave to tv no not really actually i know that i'm actually 144 00:08:20,820 --> 00:08:26,240 saying one of the interviews he did say that it's just meant to be a like a surreal dreamscape which 145 00:08:26,260 --> 00:08:31,620 it certainly is so i don't know if ever really meant to be a point to it particularly just kind 146 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:36,800 of reflect the lyrics and do some weird shit the same director directed a couple of other videos 147 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:43,060 that are very similar to this one like there's kunkanansi's lately video which is basically the 148 00:08:43,300 --> 00:08:49,720 same one as this sounds a giant black hole son right but it's still like kind of as neil said 149 00:08:49,740 --> 00:08:57,180 stepford wives aesthetic with like warped images and kind of off feeling the whole thing and then 150 00:08:57,180 --> 00:09:03,580 there is nancy boy by placebo which also uses the warped images oh yeah it's all the same guy and 151 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,620 it's kind of like when you find when you realize this it's kind of like did that video actually have 152 00:09:08,780 --> 00:09:15,420 any high concept or was it just this guy trying to force himself into the video scene as the guy 153 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:20,560 to use the cgi i guess this is stale i think i kind of feel that the four guys priests are the 154 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,660 religious people i think they're kind of meant to be like a metaphor of the four horsemen for them 155 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,580 they're they're all very different um and they're all they're all doing like specific things yeah 156 00:09:30,590 --> 00:09:35,160 they're all freaky fuckers what do you think they're representing because you're right they're very 157 00:09:35,270 --> 00:09:40,320 very different the conquest the famine plague and uh yeah i can't remember the other one there is a 158 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,400 plague of locusts okay yeah yeah it's maybe what the whole video is trying to be built around but i 159 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:47,700 the whole black hole thing, 160 00:09:48,410 --> 00:09:49,680 which looks nothing like a sun. 161 00:09:49,710 --> 00:09:50,120 I don't know. 162 00:09:50,350 --> 00:09:50,700 I don't know. 163 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:51,940 Well, apparently I was reading as well 164 00:09:51,970 --> 00:09:52,740 a version of the video 165 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,260 initially released without that 166 00:09:54,370 --> 00:09:55,700 and then they re-released it 167 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,880 with allegedly more impressive CGI 168 00:09:58,100 --> 00:09:58,780 of the sun and shit. 169 00:09:58,790 --> 00:09:59,320 So I don't know. 170 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,820 I've not managed to find the original version. 171 00:10:00,830 --> 00:10:01,840 I don't know if I had something else. 172 00:10:01,930 --> 00:10:04,120 I don't remember ever seeing the version without it. 173 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,540 I don't quite understand. 174 00:10:05,860 --> 00:10:07,160 I don't think it's explained very well 175 00:10:07,290 --> 00:10:07,860 whether the people, 176 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,020 why are they getting warped? 177 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:10,880 Are they getting warped 178 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:11,740 because of the whole, 179 00:10:12,970 --> 00:10:13,600 whether they're getting 180 00:10:13,820 --> 00:10:14,860 all the weird things they're doing. 181 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,020 Are they just a weird place or are they all being infected by the black hole? 182 00:10:19,260 --> 00:10:20,620 I just don't understand the video. 183 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,540 Maybe that's okay because the music is not supposed to be understood. 184 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,740 Like it's just random, honestly just random string of words. 185 00:10:26,940 --> 00:10:30,200 Chris Cornell said he basically, he came up with a song when he was driving his car. 186 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:33,340 And yeah, it wasn't particularly meant to mean anything. 187 00:10:33,540 --> 00:10:35,380 Maybe the video is not supposed to mean anything then. 188 00:10:35,980 --> 00:10:36,960 It's just images. 189 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,180 It's a real dreamscape. 190 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:43,160 But there is a woman who fucking has like a lizard tongue at one point. 191 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:44,200 That's interesting. 192 00:10:44,460 --> 00:10:45,620 So that's a good question. 193 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,320 Did she always have a lizard tongue? 194 00:10:47,420 --> 00:10:49,000 Is this just how this place goes? 195 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,120 Maybe that's what America's like. 196 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:50,720 I've never been there. 197 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:51,040 I don't know. 198 00:10:52,140 --> 00:10:53,900 You know what's in America like last year? 199 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,560 I can confirm that lizard tongues are a common occurrence, 200 00:10:59,180 --> 00:11:00,460 especially in San Francisco. 201 00:11:00,860 --> 00:11:01,940 Not as much in New York. 202 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,800 Out of people or out of lizards? 203 00:11:04,060 --> 00:11:04,380 Yes. 204 00:11:05,220 --> 00:11:05,340 Oh. 205 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:07,280 Well, actually it was out. 206 00:11:07,940 --> 00:11:10,140 Yeah, the lizard tongue woman was curious 207 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,040 because she was trying to catch the flies, 208 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:13,960 which I don't know. 209 00:11:14,260 --> 00:11:18,860 I feel that the whole thing about their faces getting warped because they're all smiling. 210 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,500 Everyone's like, well, most people are doing weird sort of massive grins and then the faces 211 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,200 are warped into sort of, you know, sad, frowny faces. 212 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,020 I think it's meant to be like a message towards like everyone's going on, everyone's happy, 213 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:33,960 but everything's actually really miserable and dark. 214 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,260 And, you know, it's not too dissimilar to, you know, current times, which maybe makes 215 00:11:38,260 --> 00:11:42,880 the video itself kind of timeless because maybe it's making a message or sending a message 216 00:11:42,900 --> 00:11:44,420 that everything's always miserable. 217 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:46,440 Everything's always dark, 218 00:11:46,530 --> 00:11:47,500 no matter how good it looks. 219 00:11:47,930 --> 00:11:48,880 The British mentality 220 00:11:48,910 --> 00:11:50,260 of just keep calm and carry on. 221 00:11:50,500 --> 00:11:50,640 You know, 222 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,940 everyone's just trying to do their thing 223 00:11:53,260 --> 00:11:54,300 and then they know 224 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:56,160 there's a massive fucking black hole above them. 225 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,740 And then when it starts sucking everyone up, 226 00:11:58,750 --> 00:12:00,080 then that's when they start freaking out. 227 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:00,200 Yeah, yeah. 228 00:12:00,380 --> 00:12:00,720 They're like, 229 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:01,160 oh shit, 230 00:12:01,260 --> 00:12:02,360 we can't ignore it anymore. 231 00:12:02,540 --> 00:12:04,180 Something I've actually never noticed before. 232 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:05,260 There's like a shot of bees 233 00:12:05,580 --> 00:12:06,300 with one of the little girls 234 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:06,960 running around 235 00:12:07,230 --> 00:12:08,400 and then you see a beekeeper 236 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:09,120 dead on the ground. 237 00:12:09,260 --> 00:12:10,340 He doesn't seem to have died 238 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,200 through any black hole related activities. 239 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:13,640 That's really good artwork, actually. 240 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,940 Just this kid in a pink tutu and a dead beekeeper. 241 00:12:17,620 --> 00:12:20,400 I was going to say, I think my favourite character is the woman sunbathing, 242 00:12:20,620 --> 00:12:21,840 but she has like a massive heat lamp. 243 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:24,520 Of course, that's your favourite scene. 244 00:12:24,980 --> 00:12:26,040 Not because of the woman sunbathing. 245 00:12:26,140 --> 00:12:28,180 It's just, you know, there's a massive heat lamp. 246 00:12:28,340 --> 00:12:29,860 It's 2.15 in the video. 247 00:12:29,980 --> 00:12:30,740 Oh, fuck it. 248 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:32,240 Yeah, I'd never noticed the heat lamp. 249 00:12:32,430 --> 00:12:32,760 I don't know. 250 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,300 There must be irony in that. 251 00:12:34,370 --> 00:12:35,060 I don't know why. 252 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:36,600 Apparently, I haven't watched this video enough. 253 00:12:37,180 --> 00:12:38,500 That CGI still irks me. 254 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,080 Not because they decide to use CGI in 94. 255 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,280 fine well means but they could have gone into uncanny valley without the cgi the people all 256 00:12:46,430 --> 00:12:51,320 really fucking creepy without their warped eyes i agree with that but i think you have to bear in 257 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,080 mind it was the 90s it had to be edgy and using all these crazy effects and shit like i've seen 258 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,820 yesterday about the logo reminding me of of a 90s video game show if you ever go back and watch any 259 00:13:00,890 --> 00:13:05,860 shit like that it's all like this it's just fucking it's a 90s aesthetic i mean you're probably right 260 00:13:06,060 --> 00:13:11,400 just irks me because it's it's kind of hailed as this quintessential 90s video but it just feels 261 00:13:11,420 --> 00:13:14,660 really dated. I'm not saying it's bad, just dated. 262 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,040 Some might say stuck on the edge of the horizon. 263 00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:44,520 Okay, so let's talk about what our favourite moments were. 264 00:13:44,940 --> 00:13:45,540 God, there's so many. 265 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,760 There's a guy who's like brushing his hair in the mirror 266 00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:49,680 and there's a woman with a great day in the bath. 267 00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:51,980 For a little while, I thought that was the same guy 268 00:13:52,140 --> 00:13:54,620 played Bob in Twin Peaks, but I looked up and it's not. 269 00:13:54,690 --> 00:13:56,320 I think that'll probably get my vote purely 270 00:13:56,580 --> 00:13:58,440 just because it's potentially a Twin Peaks rip-off. 271 00:13:58,540 --> 00:13:59,380 That's a very good point. 272 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,480 Why does he never have any of the people 273 00:14:01,740 --> 00:14:04,020 from any of Lynch's movies? 274 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:08,060 I understand Kyle MacLachlan might be a bit too expensive 275 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:13,780 for that video but yeah Bob or just some of the cut the sorry the background I actually have to 276 00:14:13,820 --> 00:14:18,000 change that answer because I'm I'm just I've got it playing on a loop in the background and I forgot 277 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,620 about the fucking the baby there's a woman with a pram and the baby just turns into some sort of 278 00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:28,300 fucking ectoplasm jelly floats off because I'm like I know everyone's getting sucked into the 279 00:14:28,420 --> 00:14:32,620 black hole I don't know at what point that you literally just disintegrate uh just after the 280 00:14:32,740 --> 00:14:37,020 event horizon I guess let's not go into the actual physics of this video because it's gonna get 281 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,040 fucking crazy. 282 00:14:38,620 --> 00:14:39,380 I have to throw out 283 00:14:39,380 --> 00:14:40,100 all my calculations. 284 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:40,740 There's a woman 285 00:14:41,060 --> 00:14:42,120 who's just putting on 286 00:14:42,340 --> 00:14:43,680 makeup while getting 287 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,000 vibrated by one of 288 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,020 those Vibro belt 289 00:14:46,180 --> 00:14:46,320 machines. 290 00:14:46,910 --> 00:14:47,960 It's casually doing it 291 00:14:48,060 --> 00:14:48,620 and then there's just 292 00:14:48,650 --> 00:14:49,780 a random guy just 293 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:50,600 doing push-ups 294 00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:51,620 who's bright pink. 295 00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:52,900 He's tanned. 296 00:14:53,140 --> 00:14:53,900 Oh, there you are. 297 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,040 They're so tanned, 298 00:14:55,110 --> 00:14:55,440 yeah, burnt, 299 00:14:55,570 --> 00:14:55,940 whatever you want to 300 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:56,660 say, burnt by the 301 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:57,380 black hole sun. 302 00:14:59,180 --> 00:15:00,140 It all just feels 303 00:15:00,340 --> 00:15:00,980 so out of place 304 00:15:01,030 --> 00:15:01,680 and it's just so 305 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:02,120 random. 306 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:02,900 It's just the way 307 00:15:02,930 --> 00:15:03,720 the camera casually 308 00:15:03,940 --> 00:15:04,780 pans up as she's 309 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:05,640 getting vibrated. 310 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:12,160 yeah to me the whole the whole the whole song and videos like feel for nightmares and i think all 311 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,880 the modern day tropes referencing real world problems i think it's that maybe time shows that 312 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,480 it's quite timeless and you can kind of uh associate it with pretty much modern day especially with a 313 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,780 guy getting you know sucked not sucked into the tv but just watching tv you know there's all that 314 00:15:25,980 --> 00:15:31,140 screen culture it can reference to and i guess how people can be happy all the time in the video as 315 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:38,000 the world crumbles around them can director howard uh greenhut whatever his name is um predict the 316 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,360 future that's that's what i'm trying to find out what do you guys think of that it's like these are 317 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:47,100 just kind of constant problems disregarding whatever the current apocalypse is uh and we're 318 00:15:47,260 --> 00:15:51,900 currently in quite a big one the problems are kind of continuous throughout humanity and he's kind of 319 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,100 possibly accidentally i don't know kind of struck that chord i mean i won't say that it's probably 320 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:01,900 accidental i think it probably is just more stuff is yeah just because yeah i'm not saying there has 321 00:16:01,900 --> 00:16:09,080 to be more to not be so for free to have a point it could be like very very subtle but it just kind 322 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,500 of feels like that we're just assigning thoughts into it like it just kind of feels like the video 323 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:18,740 should be taken at face value it's still creepy it's still things to talk about but i don't think 324 00:16:18,860 --> 00:16:26,080 it's quite the social commentary that's that we're thinking it is yeah yeah no i i i do agree with 325 00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:30,520 it's it's it's just ironic that i can find so many links i think maybe it's just the way it was 326 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,780 constructed and made you know it's it's it's just obvious that everything's falling apart in that 327 00:16:34,980 --> 00:16:39,840 video and i guess it is kind of easy to link things falling apart in real life to that yeah i mean 328 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:45,740 possibly whenever we're watching any kind of media when it comes to looking at ideal society that's not 329 00:16:45,860 --> 00:16:51,400 actually ideal it's very easy to assign features to it that probably were not intended when you watch 330 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:57,500 david lynch movies you kind of like it's even he doesn't have that word like he shows in uh blue 331 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:02,460 velvet i don't know neil have you actually seen it no no i'm actually not really a fan of david 332 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:08,180 lynch but i've not really give uh give him a chance he's not for everyone i guess but when you 333 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:13,520 watch like the movie is about yeah it's about a suburban like almost idyllic place where shit goes 334 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:20,000 down but like yes people pretend i think it's okay when things are not okay but it just feels 335 00:17:20,020 --> 00:17:21,420 more directed. 336 00:17:22,020 --> 00:17:24,040 Yes, everything is a bit creepy 337 00:17:24,970 --> 00:17:25,920 under the surface level 338 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:27,079 but on the surface level 339 00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:28,480 you don't need to show 340 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:29,680 or he doesn't need to show 341 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:31,540 the inhabitants of that neighbourhood 342 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,260 with warped faces 343 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:35,800 to make it feel like something is off. 344 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:38,060 Like people having their day-to-day lives 345 00:17:38,260 --> 00:17:39,720 it's just that there's always something 346 00:17:39,940 --> 00:17:41,120 kind of a bit off on the background 347 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,620 that makes you feel like 348 00:17:42,740 --> 00:17:44,060 there's something happening there. 349 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:45,420 One thing I've kind of noticed 350 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,200 from years of being forced to watch 351 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:48,720 terrible independent art films 352 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:58,660 thanks we've worked in two of those films like two is it present company excluded i think the 353 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,240 reason someone like david lynch works is that there is kind of a logic to it even if you can't 354 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:07,440 really figure out what the logic is because it's batshit fucking insane there's usually some form of 355 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:12,180 logic potentially something like this doesn't have the same amount of logic it can just come across 356 00:18:12,380 --> 00:18:17,059 like just nonsense being thrown at a screen yeah can we just also just kind of agree on the 357 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,960 on the statement that's probably Howie. 358 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,640 I'm just going to call him Howie from now on. 359 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,900 Our good friend, Howie, friend of the show. 360 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:25,080 Yes. 361 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:26,400 Future club later. 362 00:18:26,530 --> 00:18:27,820 Give us a £2 on Patreon. 363 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:29,780 If you're listening, Howie. 364 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:30,940 We don't have a Patreon yet. 365 00:18:30,980 --> 00:18:31,960 We don't have Patreon, no. 366 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,620 I just kind of feel like he really wants to be David Lynch. 367 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:36,180 Yeah. 368 00:18:36,220 --> 00:18:40,780 But he's kind of lacking the subtlety that David Lynch has. 369 00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:45,140 I think that's what I was trying to say with my off-topic narrative about Le Velvet. 370 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,040 Yeah, yeah. 371 00:18:46,140 --> 00:18:50,220 it's a bit more subtle usually calling david lynch subtle is not really anything to do 372 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,460 i think i've seen that scene even though i've not seen the full film it's where it's like 373 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,520 going through a idyllic suburban place and it goes underground and there's a bunch of bugs going 374 00:18:57,900 --> 00:19:01,420 yeah i yeah that's one because i suppose you could argue even that's not particularly subtle 375 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:06,360 no it's not it did remind me of um i can't really go in the detail because i don't really want to but 376 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:12,539 really specific nightmares i had as a kid which just involved a lot of weird things going on a lot 377 00:19:12,420 --> 00:19:19,080 of distortion a lot of shapes there was no black holes and no suns and none of that but sort of 378 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,720 brought it back a little bit it was quite uncomfortable to watch i presume that's the 379 00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:27,360 point though i it definitely feels like it wants you to feel uncomfortable watching it kind of 380 00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:31,980 rounded off as well i mean all the effects i think they still kind of hold up for the time i think as 381 00:19:31,980 --> 00:19:38,180 we said earlier um but they're obviously very off the time very 90s whenever everything had to be 382 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:43,280 um you know magically put together using cg people who watched the video probably didn't know how that 383 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,760 happened they just thought it was you know movie magic um it doesn't hold up nowadays it just looks 384 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,540 like you know cheap rubbish but it's fine it adds to the charm and it makes the video sort of you know 385 00:19:52,540 --> 00:19:57,100 you sit and watch it because visually there's so much going on in it i can't believe you just called 386 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:02,320 this video charming i think my favorite part and that not because of the video but because of the 387 00:20:02,340 --> 00:20:08,120 background story of it is the Barbie that's getting spit-wasted but the girl who is watching the Barbie 388 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,320 she has a scene where she's eating the ice cream and then she has like a couple of scenes later 389 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,500 scene where she's spitting out the ice cream kind of drooling on over her the reason why I love this 390 00:20:17,660 --> 00:20:23,220 scene is because I was when I was reading about the video the director was saying how the parents 391 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,920 that girl's parents were obviously like behind the camera and were completely horrified this 392 00:20:28,940 --> 00:20:34,460 batshit crazy director will get their lovely very beautiful daughter to look so ugly in the scene 393 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,460 i kind of just love that because they were clearly like oh no what are you doing to our kid how dare 394 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,620 you which i just kind of found hilarious but um i'm gonna go gonna go with what you bald guy said 395 00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:50,100 like even just ignoring the cgi a lot of interesting parts everywhere in the video so it's kind of like 396 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,740 every time when even now when we're just re-watching it we kept on finding some really cool shit it seems 397 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,160 to be our good friend 398 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:57,280 Harry's trademark 399 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,180 is just fucking 400 00:20:58,620 --> 00:20:59,500 assaults on the senses 401 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:00,300 judging by 402 00:21:00,500 --> 00:21:00,880 go west 403 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:01,960 and this so far 404 00:21:02,140 --> 00:21:02,600 I haven't watched 405 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,340 the placebo video 406 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:03,700 in a while 407 00:21:03,780 --> 00:21:04,440 I might watch that again 408 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:05,980 you should also watch 409 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:06,980 something that I was 410 00:21:07,020 --> 00:21:07,860 I was laughing at 411 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:08,980 how cheesy it was 412 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:09,280 um 413 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:10,860 things if I ever 414 00:21:10,900 --> 00:21:11,960 lose my faith in you 415 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:12,820 because it's so 416 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:13,780 on the fucking nose 417 00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:14,980 I've always hated 418 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:15,440 that video 419 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,180 but I never knew 420 00:21:16,260 --> 00:21:17,000 that it was this guy 421 00:21:17,140 --> 00:21:17,780 who did it 422 00:21:17,940 --> 00:21:18,480 a lot of users 423 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:19,340 will probably do 424 00:21:19,340 --> 00:21:19,880 in this podcast 425 00:21:20,020 --> 00:21:20,680 at some point 426 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:21,180 in the future 427 00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:22,200 coming for you 428 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:22,520 Howard 429 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:23,020 Harry 430 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:24,720 Harry 431 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,520 parts that we don't like. Probably the only part I don't like is the open-ended ending. 432 00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:32,480 It'd be nice to see if they actually got sucked into the hole themselves, 433 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,940 but the band didn't want to be distorted, which is ironic considering they were 434 00:21:37,390 --> 00:21:40,680 pretty much distorted all the way through the video, 435 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,720 the way they were slightly warped. Yeah, that was probably my least ever bit. 436 00:21:45,150 --> 00:21:48,840 Apart from that, no. I guess my thing that I've just kept talking 437 00:21:49,020 --> 00:21:52,539 about is, I'm not a fan of the CGI. I think that he could have gone 438 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,880 actual physical effects he could have done something along the lines of i don't know like the the tim 439 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,960 burton's batman movie something a bit more physical where he could have still had like distorted faces 440 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:10,080 but be a bit more real like a bit more physical cgi just i'm sure that it was like older age in 94 441 00:22:10,790 --> 00:22:16,340 but nowadays it just feels outdated and i don't know which one would be more expensive i'd imagine 442 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:23,900 the cgi 94 was hell expensive but that's my only beef is that the cgi just doesn't hold and it kind 443 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:29,700 of makes everything a bit ugly in not in the way he intended it to look like i think the only only 444 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,620 that i can find that i don't like because when it cuts to the actual black hole sun itself uh there's 445 00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:38,960 a few times where it kind of looks like it's just been shoved in there i think because from judging 446 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:44,280 by what i read it was um but yeah that's my only real complaint with it does that mean that we are 447 00:22:44,180 --> 00:22:50,600 all on a very strong eye for this movie. I keep covering a movie, it's a video. My beef with the 448 00:22:50,780 --> 00:22:56,280 video doesn't take out the part of the video, it's like it's a staple of 90s video and staple of 449 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:02,200 Soundgarden videos and even if I'm not a massive fan of it, it still was noticeable enough that I 450 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,280 would remember it since it was four. If that reminds me, it's an eye for me as well. It's a 451 00:23:06,380 --> 00:23:10,880 memorable video. It's an eye for me, it's mental, you don't really understand what's happening and I 452 00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:15,100 quite enjoy that kind of thing so yeah eye for me yeah definitely an eye for me i mean i never want 453 00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:22,560 to watch it again but yeah loved it you don't mind what we're doing next time neo you should choose 454 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,880 something because i think we keep on choosing but you should choose something now what will make us 455 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:33,840 very confused probably all of them to be honest i think i would like to do uh things can only get 456 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:39,900 better by d-rayim oh purely because i am a fan of professor brian cox so it'd be good to kind of 457 00:23:39,780 --> 00:23:40,220 see him 458 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,020 good to see him 459 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,480 post post 460 00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:44,340 astrophysicist 461 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:45,000 science 462 00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:45,760 he's not in the 463 00:23:46,020 --> 00:23:46,120 video 464 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,420 the semi-non-90s 465 00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:47,740 classic 466 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:48,440 things can only 467 00:23:48,460 --> 00:23:48,900 get better 468 00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:49,700 I didn't know 469 00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:50,260 that D-Rim 470 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:50,640 were Northern 471 00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:51,040 Irish 472 00:23:51,580 --> 00:23:52,320 neither did I 473 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,680 and the Labour 474 00:23:54,940 --> 00:23:55,380 Party notably 475 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:56,200 used him as 476 00:23:56,340 --> 00:23:57,520 the team tune 477 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,160 during the 478 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,020 party successful 479 00:23:59,380 --> 00:23:59,840 campaign in the 480 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:00,420 general election 481 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:00,840 97 482 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:01,820 I forgot about 483 00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:02,060 that 484 00:24:03,340 --> 00:24:03,860 it's bringing 485 00:24:04,020 --> 00:24:04,660 back Tony Blair 486 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:05,300 flashbacks 487 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:06,900 Tony Blair 488 00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:07,540 should be like 489 00:24:07,540 --> 00:24:07,880 a very 490 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:08,980 extreme close-up 491 00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:09,740 of Tony Blair 492 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,160 with the episode thingy 493 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,780 images of the Iraq war 494 00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:14,860 floating in and out 495 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,280 things can only get better eh 496 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,300 going great so far 497 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,220 oh god 498 00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:24,140 that's not depressing 499 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,080 anyway so 500 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:27,720 shall we all say goodbye 501 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:28,460 bye 502 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,000 goodbye all 503 00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:32,840 stop recording 504 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:47,580 Outro Music